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14:55, 1 October 2024 Pete talk contribs moved page Political Systems to Political systems without leaving a redirect
14:51, 1 October 2024 Pete talk contribs moved page Bayesian & Non Bayesian Approaches to Trust and Wang & Vassileva's Eqn to Bayesian & non Bayesian approaches to trust and Wang & Vassileva's equation without leaving a redirect
14:47, 1 October 2024 Pete talk contribs moved page Use Case for Predicate Rating System: Discussion Board Multidimensional Sort to Use case for predicate rating system: Discussion board multidimensional sort without leaving a redirect
14:42, 1 October 2024 Pete talk contribs moved page Sapienza Trust Model Derivation Showing Equivalence with Random Answers to Sapienza trust model derivation showing equivalence with random answers without leaving a redirect
14:31, 1 October 2024 Pete talk contribs moved page Voting Methods to Voting methods without leaving a redirect
15:22, 27 September 2024 Lem talk contribs deleted page DELETE Privacy in the subjective and community-based ratings system (Author request: content was: "{{Main|Privacy, identity, and fraud in the ratings system}} This page should be deleted. It's content has been moved elsewhere.", and the only contributor was "Pete" (talk))
15:07, 27 September 2024 Pete talk contribs moved page "open source" decision making to "Open source" decision making without leaving a redirect (Misspelled title)
14:53, 27 September 2024 Pete talk contribs moved page A straight average algorithm with continuous input distributions, complex trust, and intermediate results to Straight average algorithm with continuous input distributions, complex trust, and intermediate results (Misspelled title)
14:43, 27 September 2024 Lem talk contribs deleted page A moneyless economy based on reputation and need (Author request: content was: "{{Main|Economic Systems}} <h3>INTRODUCTION</h3> We have discussed a monetary system based on crypto that communities could use to pay people based on ratings and purchase goods in the economy. We've also discussed a system of “gift giving” using ratings which would involve no money at all. Here we propose a system that is somewhere in the middle but that takes us one more...)
14:13, 27 September 2024 Pete talk contribs created page Moneyless economy based on reputation and need (Created page with "{{Main|Economic Systems}} <h3>INTRODUCTION</h3> We have discussed a monetary system based on crypto that communities could use to pay people based on ratings and purchase goods in the economy. We've also discussed a system of “gift giving” using ratings which would involve no money at all. Here we propose a system that is somewhere in the middle but that takes us one more ste...")
14:43, 24 September 2024 Pete talk contribs created page User input for continuous distributions and complex trust (Created page with "{{Main|Technical overview of the ratings system}} <h2>Background</h2> In this previous post we discussed a straight average algorithm with continuous input distributions, complex trust, and intermediate results. Let’s review briefly these enhancements: # Continuous input distributions means that the user inputs a graph or function instead...")
14:29, 24 September 2024 Pete talk contribs created page Exercising the algorithm interface with more complex data types (Created page with "The [https://gitlab.syncad.com/peerverity/trust-model-playground/-/snippets/149 custom_algo.py snippet] implements all the algorithms created so far for the <code>algorithms.py</code> interface. Scroll past where it says <code>POST 8/21/23 MEETING</code> to see the implementation of what is discussed here. <h2>A more complex trust_factor</h2> So far <code>custom_algo.py</code> has used single-valued trust factors which are specified as floats in the <code>ComponentData...")
14:20, 24 September 2024 Pete talk contribs created page Notes on using the algorithm interface (Created page with "{{Main|Technical overview of the ratings system}} <h2>Introduction</h2> Lem provided an algorithms.py (the interface) and custom_algo.py (user implementation of their algorithms). I added some algorithms to custom_algo.py and made a couple of suggested changes to algorithms.py. We will discuss these here, among other things. Both these files are located in the snippets: [https://gitlab.syncad.com/peerverity/trust-model-playground/-/snippets/146 algorithms.py] [https...")
14:12, 24 September 2024 Pete talk contribs created page Notes on setting up and using the sandbox (Created page with "{{Main|Technical overview of the ratings system}} <h2>Setting up the sandbox</h2> A new Linux VM was created to better support new algorithm code development (custom_algo.py / algorithms.py) on the [https://gitlab.syncad.com/peerverity/sandbox PeerVerity sandbox]. Some setup details follow. Much of what is said here follows Lem’s documentation and advice. * VMWare Workstation 17 Player on MS Windows 11 Pro * Ubuntu Linux 22.04 64 bit configured with 12 GB RAM, 60 GB...")
13:46, 23 September 2024 Pete talk contribs created page Security and hacking issues related to information rating systems (Created page with "{{Main|Ratings system}} When we envision a world where an information rating system heavily influences social status and a community’s decision making process, it is obvious that there will be people who will be highly motivated at times to “cheat the system”. The question can reasonably be asked, “How secure is the rating system against hacking/cheating?”, so this is written as a partial answer to that question. It is only a partial answer because “how sec...")
20:24, 17 September 2024 Pete talk contribs created page The ratings system, human psychology and social dynamics (Created page with "{{Main|Ratings system}} <h2>Designing a Simple System First</h2> A ratings system based community will have to start by voting on a set of basic principles and rating prospective members against it. The basic principles might be personal freedom (as long as you are not harming anyone else) and productivity (you must be contributing to the community). Therefore, the basic questions you’d want to know about someone are: # Is X supportive of everyone else’s freedom t...") Tag: Visual edit
19:32, 17 September 2024 Pete talk contribs created page Smart people who get things wrong (Created page with "{{Main|User education and self-improvement}} Dan asked about how the ratings system can handle smart people who are wrong. Smart people in the ratings system will have outsized influence. After all, we are hoping the ratings system will correctly identify those with talent and give them higher weight to influence society. So when they get things wrong, it’s important. One short answer we’ve looked at in the past: the ratings system gives people pause to examine th...")
19:11, 17 September 2024 Pete talk contribs moved page Self-improvement to Internal:Self-improvement
19:00, 17 September 2024 Pete talk contribs created page User education and self-improvement (Created page with "{{Main|Ratings system}} ==Education== The ratings system we are designing could help people become better thinkers, question their assumptions, break cognitive bad habits and build new ones. Courses on logic, debate, and identifying misinformation can be offered as we alluded to last time. Soft skills courses could also be offered to promote civility such as empathy, constructive commu...")
14:28, 17 September 2024 Pete talk contribs created page Heuristics and policy-making (Created page with "{{Main|System modeling}} A poll is a heuristic tool. In Brainstorming_22 we discussed using heuristics to alleviate the information overload problem inherent in the ratings system. Heuristics would help people use the ratings system more effectively for information-heavy tasks like understanding and voting on public policy. Consider how our political process works today. Mos...")
19:41, 16 September 2024 Pete talk contribs created page Organizations as raters (Created page with "{{Main|Ratings system}} <h2>Organizations as Raters</h2> Last time we discussed [https://freedomhouse.org/ Freedom House] as a ratings system for countries. We noted that people will likely delegate most of their ratings “weight” to trusted organizations (or individuals) that have the expertise in a particular area or capacity to do detailed studies that ordinary...")
18:48, 16 September 2024 Pete talk contribs created page Ratings and white-collar crime (Created page with "{{Main|Economic losses and counterfactuals}} Here are a few articles Dan has pointed out recently: https://www.cnbc.com/2024/05/29/doj-charges-chinese-national-in-5point9-billion-covid-botnet-fraud.html https://apnews.com/article/minnesota-feeding-our-future-pandemic-fraud-73610b59bb60bf33f2aa06063bb592d2 https://www.justice.gov/usao-dc/pr/retired-navy-admiral-and-business-executives-arrested-connection-alleged-bribery-scheme The first is about a botnet with malware...")
18:22, 16 September 2024 Pete talk contribs created page Civility and battling entrenched bias (Created page with "{{Main|Ratings system}} We talked about entrenched bias last time but there didn’t appear to be a straightforward technical feature to combat it, other than what we are already contemplating. We clearly need to get people to think critically about their own beliefs. More precisely, how do we get people to believe the truth when they believe a falsehood? Arguing usually does not work but empathetic listening does. Using evidence and facts helps but only if done in a n...")
14:59, 16 September 2024 Pete talk contribs created page The problem of intellectual property (IP) (Created page with "{{Main|A moneyless economy based on reputation and need}} Dan mentioned that the ratings system solves the problem of IP in a moneyless society. If we had a post-scarcity moneyless society, then our relationship to property becomes less important in the first place. Nobody would “own” anything big, just their personal possessions: clothing, food, maybe a house. These are either not worth stealing or impractical to steal. And a post-scarcity society with a reasonable...")
20:36, 13 September 2024 Pete talk contribs moved page The ratings system, the media, and overcoming bias to The media, overcoming bias, and making it fun
19:54, 13 September 2024 Pete talk contribs created page Current ratings systems (Created page with "Our current society is filled with various types of ratings systems. Some are ratings by experts or users of products and services. Consumer Reports is probably the most well-known traditional example of this.")
19:06, 13 September 2024 Pete talk contribs created page Capital vs. Labor: a theory of society (Created page with "{{Main|Community}} The ratings based society should start with a theory for how society works in the first place. One view is that the key to societal function, particularly in a democracy, lies in the relationship between the owning class and the working class. This view is broadly Marxian although it is not necessarily Marxist. It is the reason why we have gravitated toward a moneyless society, rules for income (or resource) distribution, and an emphasis on need as w...")
18:29, 13 September 2024 Pete talk contribs created page Contract as a method to mitigate the basic liberties imposition (Created page with "{{Main|Political Systems}} There is a natural conflict between community needs and individual basic liberties. Sometimes, under exigent circumstances, the community will have to impose on its members to the point of taking away their basic liberties. In extreme cases this might include their life. One way to ameliorate this problem is to have a contract upon admission to the community in which the prospective member agrees in advance to these impositions. If the membe...")
15:46, 13 September 2024 Pete talk contribs created page Defining utopia (Created page with "{{Main|Political Systems}} Dan mentioned at one point, somewhat tongue in cheek, that we are designing utopia. But what is our definition of utopia? I think it would be a good idea to have folks describe their thoughts on this. Mine are below. Utopia permits personal freedom of choice, expression, and action. The only constraints on these involve interactions and effects on others. Utopia, mostly through personal choice and consensus, distributes its wealth equitably....")
15:09, 13 September 2024 Pete talk contribs created page Power distribution as a corollary to income distribution (Created page with "{{Main|Political Systems}} In our society, the distribution of power is as important, if not more so, than the distribution of income. In fact, one reason we are concerned about the distribution of income is because it profoundly affects how power is distributed. We have discussed ways our ratings-based society might choose to change the distribution of income. This is fairly easy becau...")
14:05, 13 September 2024 Pete talk contribs created page Democratizing resource allocation (Created page with "{{Main|Societal optimization}} One of the primary benefits of a system like ours will be in improved resource allocation. Current resource allocation systems (eg regulated market capitalism) wastes a tremendous amount of wealth on unnecessary labor and goods. Furthermore, we distribute wealth in counterproductive and undemocratic ways. We underpay manual workers, overpay managers, maintain positions in which no actual work is accomplished, create make-work projects, spe...")
21:24, 12 September 2024 Pete talk contribs created page Steps in policy-making (Created page with "{{Main|The subjective and community ratings system}} Policies are plans of action and guidelines for solving problems. They are not necessarily specific solutions to individual problems although they can result in that when implemented. They are usually not quite as general as a mission statement (which often conveys no meaning) but they don’t always tell you “how” to do anything in particular. They just guide you in a direction, eg Our policy is to promote human...")
21:06, 12 September 2024 Pete talk contribs created page Justice and defense in communities (Created page with "{{Main|Ratings system}} ==Thoughts on justice== It is not a happy thought but there is and will be criminal behavior in all societies. Our idea is that the ratings system will temper this to a large extent since it wouldn’t be possible to “get away” with alot of bad behavior. The criminal would be exposed to more than just a supportive friend-group. It is also the case that people with a tendency toward bad behavior might be more easily identified early-on throug...")
20:25, 12 September 2024 Pete talk contribs created page Economic losses and counterfactuals (Created page with "{{Main|Economic systems}} {{Main|Systems thinking}} $5.9 billion is a lot of money but probably no one actually “felt” the loss. This is usually the case with financial fraud. If someone robs our bank, we do not personally feel the effect of that. For one thing, the FDIC insures our accounts so the loss is only felt collectively. But another problem, obviously, is that much of what counts as a loss is only measurable in the future. In other words, the loss is the d...")
20:03, 12 September 2024 Pete talk contribs created page Weight assignment -- The equal weight method (Created page with "{{Main|Ratings system}} In our last meeting (7/3/2024) we discussed methods for delegating trust weights. Dan’s preferred system is to give everyone 100 points to dole out as they see fit. You can spend points on other people and accumulate points spent on you from other people. One question that came up is whether you could spend the points you were given by others. The consensus seemed to be that yes, you could. If you accumulated say, 500 points, you could proxy it...")
19:14, 12 September 2024 Pete talk contribs created page The subjective and community ratings system (Created page with "{{Main|Ratings system}} === The subjective and community-based ratings system === Let's begin by stressing that first we are building a subjective ratings system in the context of a peer-to-peer network. Everyone would have their own network of contacts, choose their own categories for ratings, algorithms for aggregation, weights for aggregation equations, etc. Individuals would identify themselves to their peers of choice with a public key or similar methodology. T...")
15:35, 12 September 2024 Pete talk contribs created page Freedom of speech (Created page with "Last week, Leo asked whether our ratings system requires freedom of speech. The answer is yes, but perhaps we’ve been too quick to assume that. Freedom of speech is a complex subject because, even in the most free societies, there are restrictions. Dan mentioned perhaps the most important of them, defamation. Fortunately the ratings system has a built-in mechanism to oppose those who slander others. We have, incidentally, discussed having a separate legal framework to...")
15:18, 12 September 2024 Pete talk contribs created page Commentary on technology and feasibility of the ratings system (Created page with "The system we are proposing is far-reaching and may strike many as unrealistically grandiose. But it is also unrealistic to doubt the impact of technology. Consider that today our mobile technology, in particular, has wrought a type of dystopian present where everyone is addicted to their phones. I was looking at students at a bus stop not long ago and every single one of them was immersed in their phone. It reminded me of a Star Trek TNG episode from decades ago where e...")
15:08, 12 September 2024 Pete talk contribs created page Thoughts on trust (Created page with "{{Main|Trust}} Trust can be looked upon as the probability of an interaction with someone having an expected favorable outcome. This might mean they tell the truth when asked a question. Or it might mean they don’t cheat you in a financial transaction. The outcome must be expected because normally we don’t count on random outcomes, even if they are favorable. And the outcome must be favorable because that is, presumably, the reason for the interaction in the first p...")
14:51, 12 September 2024 Pete talk contribs created page SRBE and CRBE (Created page with "{{Main|Economic systems}} Last time we clarified some terms with regard to Lem’s “gift-giving” economy. We will call it instead the Subjective Ratings Based Economy (SRBE). In this economy, we use each individual’s personal ratings system to evaluate economic “deservingness” of claims. My alternative to this would be to vote on a ratings system that the community would use for handling economic claims and “deservingness”. We might call this a Community R...")
21:33, 11 September 2024 Pete talk contribs created page Communities and the right to secession (Created page with "{{Main|Community}} We envision ratings-based communities as voluntary organizations. People choose to join them voluntarily and can leave them at will. The US, as well as many other nation-states, have a joining process (ie green card, citizenship, etc) and a process of citizenship renunciation. For individuals, community-based processes will exist for these although we anticipate that it will be less bureaucratic, faster, and more informal. The ratings system itself wi...")
21:30, 11 September 2024 Pete talk contribs created page Balance between individual liberties and the community (Created page with "Last time we noted the recent decline in Ukraine’s score according to Freedom House. This obviously coincided with the beginning of the Russian invasion and we assumed that it had something to do with forced conscription of civilians into military service. Lem posed that forced conscription is wrong because it violates the basic liberties of otherwise free citizens....")
21:28, 11 September 2024 Pete talk contribs created page Relationship between community members and its policies (Created page with "{{Main|Community}} Policy adoption means that all members, even the ones that favored other policies, have agreed to be bound by the policy once it is created. This binding of participants to the community is fairly standard but in our case it results from a conscious choice among participants. No one is, by default, a member of a community they didn’t choose. There is no notion of being “born into” a community to which you then have obligations. And, generally sp...")
21:26, 11 September 2024 Pete talk contribs created page Government and physical space (Created page with "{{Main|Community}} Government jurisdiction is traditionally coincident with land within specified boundaries. In some sense, it is hard to separate government from this constraint. Much of what we need from government is a result of where we live. Road construction, water & sewer infrastructure, protection from invasion, etc. depends on physical presence. But much of what we need is also independent of location: information, education (at least when delivered virtua...")
20:17, 11 September 2024 Pete talk contribs created page Libertarian socialism (Created page with "<h3>Libertarian Socialism, Chomsky, and the Kibbutz Movement</h3> Communities will be able to adopt any ideology they want. However if libertarianism and egalitarianism is our goal, the ideological approach would roughly correspond to an established concept, [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Libertarian_socialism libertarian socialism] (LS). This is essentially the same approach used by Twin Oaks although libertarian socialists tend to focus on the means of production whil...")
19:50, 11 September 2024 Pete talk contribs created page Community and libertarianism (Created page with "{{Main|Community}} One aspect of our culture is a strong emphasis on individual agency and rights. We may not all be formally libertarians but a libertarian ethos pervades our views and, as noted above, is strongly connected to the crypto community where the idea of a ratings system might find its first adopters. There is inevitably a conflict between a ratings system, communities, and libertarianism. There is further conflict when we add concerns about privacy, which...")
19:01, 11 September 2024 Pete talk contribs created page Polling (Created page with "Dan mentioned polling as one of the important applications of the ratings system, particularly the community ratings system (CRS). The CRS, in this context, is useful, not just for ferreting out the truth but for the equally important task of finding out what other people think. We’ve discussed at length how the ratings system is a voting system and certainly polling plays a role in th...")
18:53, 11 September 2024 Pete talk contribs created page Culture and privacy in a ratings-based society (Created page with "{{Main|Privacy, identity, and fraud in the ratings system}} Judging from our own society, we can infer that most members of a ratings-based community will not understand the encryption scheme well enough to assure themselves that it is, in fact, private. But they may take the word of cryptologists who do it for them. This is another reason why organizations will be important. In this case, crypto-organizations will be a trusted party for advanced cryptographic methods....")
18:29, 11 September 2024 Pete talk contribs created page Opinion change and propagation (Created page with "Dan asked if we can look into how opinions change and propagate. Are there algorithms we can build that will detect that? The first thought that comes to mind is the difference between short-term and long-term opinion changes. === Short-term opinion changes === Short-term opinion changes are clear and can be traced to an event or, perhaps, an influencer. The attack on Pearl Harbor changed US opinion on whether or not to enter WWII. The 9/11 attacks provided an impetus...")
14:43, 11 September 2024 Pete talk contribs created page Opinion (Created page with "Traditionally, an [https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/opinion opinion] is defined as "a view, judgment, or appraisal formed in the mind about a particular matter". We usually distinguish it from [https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/fact fact] by noting that facts have "actual existence" or "objective reality". In the ratings system, however, we consider all views, whether factual or not, as opinions. Therefore any statement made for ratings purposes is c...")