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• 20:32, 30 August 2024 Pete talk contribs created page Other possible algorithms for calculating binary predicates (Created page with "{{Main|Aggregation techniques}} This is a work in progress, for now just look at it as a collection of notes. This is the original graph from example 1, just modified to show opinions as true/false with confidence values to avoid confusion. <kroki lang="graphviz"> digraph G { fontname="Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif" node [fontname="Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif"] edge [fontname="Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif"] layout=dot 0 [label="0, no opinion"] 1 [labe...")
• 20:14, 30 August 2024 Pete talk contribs created page A trust weighted averaging technique to supplement straight averaging and Bayes (Created page with "<h2>Brief Recap</h2> Last time we discussed a straightforward averaging technique for situations where Bayes was not appropriate. Probabilities were trust-modified (per [https://ceur-ws.org/Vol-1664/w9.pdf Sapienza ] or an augmented method) and passed up...") Tag: Visual edit: Switched
• 20:08, 30 August 2024 Pete talk contribs created page A simple averaging technique to supplement the Bayes equation (Created page with "{{Main:Aggregation techniques}} <h2>Background</h2> As we saw previously, the Bayes equation can easily be misapplied to situations that are not based on rigorous probabilistic studies. The example given was along the lines of 100 people who are not sure whether it will be sunny or cloudy tomorrow because either they individually don’t know (P=50%) or their probabilities cancel out to become 50%....") Tag: Visual edit: Switched
• 20:01, 30 August 2024 Pete talk contribs created page Aggregation techniques (Created page with "Aggregation refers to the way we combine the opinions of others to obtain a final value of the opinion. A poll which takes the sum of each person's candidate preference in an election and then calculates the percentage for each candidate is an aggregation technique. A number of aggregation techniques are possible. A few are listed here: 1) Bayes' equation with a simple example of its use. 2) Simple averaging. 3) Trust weighted averaging. 4) Techniques for binned an...") Tag: Visual edit
• 19:45, 30 August 2024 Pete talk contribs created page Use Case for Predicate Rating System: Discussion Board Multidimensional Sort (Created page with "Probably the most prolific discussion forum in today’s world, or at least a very successful one, is Reddit. We examine Reddit and some of its shortcomings below, and attempt to use the predicate rating system to suggest a better solution. <span id="general-overview"></span> === General overview === Reddit is a discussion board which consists of several separate user-created, user-moderated boards called “subreddits.” Although site administration has the ultimate...") Tag: Visual edit: Switched
• 14:59, 30 August 2024 Pete talk contribs created page Post-scarcity defined (Created page with "<h3>Post-scarcity Defined U99</h3> I realize that I’m using the term post-scarcity wrong. Post-scarcity conventionally refers to a futuristic concept (featured alot in sci-fi) where technology, particularly robotics and AI, have succeeded in doing the work for us and we then simply live a life of ease and abundance. My definition is a bit more pedestrian. A post-scarcity society is one that can easily provide all necessities for all its members with a reasonable amoun...") Tag: Visual edit: Switched
• 14:41, 30 August 2024 Pete talk contribs created page A voluntary peer-to-peer gift giving economic system (Created page with "<h3>Thoughts on a voluntary gift giving economic system U99</h3> https://gitlab.syncad.com/peerverity/trust-model-playground/-/wikis/Thoughts-on-a-subjective-ratings-based-economy Lem’s idea of a gift-giving economy and mine, call it a central resource pool, can converge in the following way. We would have a central pool, an online Amazon-like system, but transactions would be peer-to-peer. Individuals would make claims and producers would fulfill those claims based...") Tag: Visual edit: Switched
• 21:41, 29 August 2024 Pete talk contribs created page A moneyless economy based on reputation and need (Created page with "<h3>INTRODUCTION</h3> Last time we discussed a monetary system based on crypto that communities could use to pay people based on ratings and purchase goods in the economy. We also discussed a system of “gift giving” using ratings which would involve no money at all. Lem is further pursuing this idea. Here I’d like to propose a system that takes us one more step away from the crypto money system discussed last week toward a moneyless system. <h3>A MONEYLESS COMMUN...") Tag: Visual edit: Switched
• 21:34, 29 August 2024 Pete talk contribs created page Thoughts on an intentional community with a subjective ratings based economy (Created page with "== Why talk about an intentional community? == A subjective ratings-based economy (SRBE), as we have previously discussed, would not necessarily need to be forced into existence. It could (and we assume, it will) grow organically alongside the money-based economy and even co-exist with it indefinitely, that is, it does not necessarily need to completely displace money-based economies. One might ask, then, why should we try to model an intentional community with a SRBE?...") Tag: Visual edit: Switched
• 18:24, 29 August 2024 Pete talk contribs created page Thoughts on a subjective ratings based economy (Created page with "It can be difficult to imagine an economy without money. The idea of a “gift economy” sounds nice, but breaks down at any scale whatsoever due to people taking advantage of the system without providing anything in return (the “free-rider problem”). Money serves as a more-or-less objective measure (however flawed it may be) of contribution to an economy, and its exchange for goods and services serves as an imperfect but somewhat functional check against the free-r...") Tag: Visual edit: Switched
• 16:08, 29 August 2024 Pete talk contribs created page Optimal income distribution (Created page with "We have discussed the need for a more equal income distribution than the one western capitalism yields. But how would we define an optimal distribution? A starting point for deciding this could start with a condition of Pareto optimality. That is, we stipulate that a Pareto sub-optimal distribution is one in which everyone is worse off. The figure below shows several simplified distributions. We reject the two curves on the bottom because everyone is worse off if they ar...") Tag: Visual edit
• 15:49, 29 August 2024 Pete talk contribs created page Money defined (Created page with "<h3>Money Defined U99</h3> This brings us to money and investment, a subject we’ve discussed before, but one that deserves a return to fundamentals. Let’s start by defining money as two things: 1) an IOU and 2) a claim on property. An IOU is simply a note that communicates a debt obligation. If Sally takes care of Brenda’s kids for 2 hours, Brenda could write Sally a note saying she did that and that she owes Sally two hours of her time. Sally now has a piece of...") Tag: Visual edit: Switched
• 15:40, 29 August 2024 Pete talk contribs created page Money system based on ratings (Created page with "<h3>Introduction</h3> Last time we discussed the idea of paying workers in our ratings system with crypto and perhaps, more generally, paying people based on their ratings. Dan and Lem had the notion of doing away with money altogether and imagined a “gift giving” arrangement based on ratings. Lem elaborated on this idea in subsequent conversations with me. This is a fascinating idea. But since I am myself having difficulty seeing how such a moneyless system would...") Tag: Visual edit: Switched
• 14:54, 29 August 2024 Pete talk contribs created page Influence of wealth in democracy (Created page with "But other ideas will have to come from the community itself. An important one will be how much influence money will buy in a new democracy. According to [https://www.google.com/books/edition/Free_and_Equal/Hl7QEAAAQBAJ?hl=en&gbpv=0 Chandler], in our present society, almost all policy that gets enacted only does so because the wealthy are behind it. In other words, if a policy is backed by ordinary people but not the wealthy, it <i>is not</i> enacted. If it is backed by t...") Tag: Visual edit: Switched
• 14:42, 29 August 2024 Pete talk contribs moved page Not be compensated to Compensation for participants
• 14:29, 29 August 2024 Pete talk contribs created page Not be compensated (Created page with "<h3>Compensation for Participants U99</h3> Since users of the system will be doing alot of work, work that would be typically paid in the “real” world, a community might contemplate paying them for their services. A community will need to aggregate opinion for policy-making (beyond the algorithmic), hold votes on issues, enforce bylaws, report on news, etc. Plenty of administrative effort will likely be needed over time to handle these tasks, even though the communi...") Tag: Visual edit
• 14:24, 29 August 2024 Pete talk contribs created page Hippy Communes, Socialism, Work, and Egalitarianism (Created page with "<h3>Hippy Communes, Socialism, Work, and Egalitarianism</h3> [https://www.twinoaks.org/ Twin Oaks in Virginia] is one of the oldest “intentional communities” in America, having been around since its inception in the 60’s. It’s a hippy commune, one of several scattered across the country. It consists of about 100 members who must work a total of 42 hours a week in return for a private room (in a shared house, one of several), shared food (dining hall), medical ca...")
• 14:18, 29 August 2024 Pete talk contribs created page Personal choice and sacrificial contributions (Created page with "Let’s say I have two similar products in front of me on a store shelf. One is locally produced and the other made in China. The locally produced one costs 3 times as much. I pick the one made in China even though I’m told to buy the locally produced item. This is much like buy American campaigns or calls to boycott products for some ideological reason. In all these cases the individual is asked to make a sacrifice for the common good. However, no one else has made a...")
• 14:08, 29 August 2024 Pete talk contribs created page Productivity (Created page with "Productivity is normally defined as output per worker per hour. It is the central measure of economic progress in any society and the basis for increased standard of living (at least in material terms). The following graph shows how US productivity has increased since 1947, the first year the Bureau of Labor Statistics started tracking it. image Source: https://tradingeconomics.com/united-states/productivity Also: ht...") Tag: Visual edit
• 13:52, 29 August 2024 Pete talk contribs created page Economic predicates (Created page with "<h3>Thoughts on Economic Predicates</h3> Our ratings system is presumed to start with questions that can be answered through a numerical rating. “Is X a real person” might be answered with a 0.7, indicating their belief that there is a 70% probability that the person in question is real. We have constructed a Bayesian math framework to encapsulate this numerically. Let’s suppose we are trying to ascertain X’s need for a claimed item (in the SRBE/CRBE economy)....") Tag: Visual edit: Switched
• 13:50, 29 August 2024 Pete talk contribs created page Economic Systems (Created page with "Economic systems refer to methods by which resource allocation occurs as a result of the ratings system. Using the system, people will rate each other's claims to economic goods based on multiple factors such as their productivity, needs, overall rating, etc. Since the ratings system has both a subjective and community version, we distinguish two types of economic system, the SRBE (Subjective Ratings Based Economy) and CRBE (Community Ratings Based Economy). Another rela...") Tag: Visual edit
• 11:55, 29 August 2024 Lem talk contribs changed group membership for Lembot from (none) to bot and associate
• 11:52, 29 August 2024 User account Lembot talk contribs was created
• 20:00, 28 August 2024 Pete talk contribs created page Internal:Brainstorming 26 -- Freedom of speech, sanitizing status, progress moving to Main namespace (Created page with "asdfad") Tag: Visual edit
• 15:53, 28 August 2024 Pete talk contribs created page Moderation and adherence to norms (Created page with " === The power of moderation === A large part of our driving force should be the idea that moderation is often the path to better discussion, decision making, and governance. We could even argue that democratic systems can only survive if the polity is moderate, both in temperament and policy. A democratic majority that favors genocide, and then implements it, is not a democracy. Moderation means that people’s views tend to cluster around the mean and that they are wi...") Tag: Visual edit
• 20:11, 27 August 2024 Pete talk contribs created page Philosophy of John Rawls (Created page with "<h2>The Philosophy of John Rawls</h2> It is not for lack of ideas that the US finds itself in its current predicament, a brilliant but declining superpower hobbled by entirely self-inflicted wounds. [https://plato.stanford.edu/entries/rawls/ John Rawls], perhaps the most influential political philosopher of the 20th century, laid out some basic ideas, broadly known by the term “justice as fairness”. He describes a methodology by which we can objectively find how soc...") Tag: Visual edit: Switched
• 19:24, 27 August 2024 Pete talk contribs created page Technocracy (Created page with "The system we are discussing is basically a technocracy, or more specifically to our case, a democratic technocracy. In many ways, we are already living in a technocracy and have been for many decades. Government agencies, run by technocrats, have significant leverage over policy because broadly written laws often give them the granular authority to do so. The EPA, for instance is given a legal mandate to control the amount of pollution emissions in certain industries bu...") Tag: Visual edit
• 19:19, 27 August 2024 Pete talk contribs created page "open source" decision making (Created page with "One of the advantages and use cases our system offers is replacing closed decision processes with ones that are open to all. An example of this is college admissions, one that has a direct impact on the public, especially young people. Many high school students aim for the most competitive schools for which the admission rate might be less than 10%. Needless to say, the applicant pool, aside from those who are admitted for non-academic reasons (eg corruption, legacy, ath...") Tag: Visual edit
• 19:11, 27 August 2024 Pete talk contribs created page Direct democracy (Created page with "Our system is uniquely positioned as an experiment in direct democracy. The debating, voting, and, by extension, policy making infrastructure is already there in the concept we have so far. It would seem that we could easily transform these elements into a government in which “the people” make and decide on policy details. The usual critique of direct democracy is that normal people don’t have the time or inclination to pass laws and make regulatory policy to enfo...") Tag: Visual edit
• 20:48, 26 August 2024 Pete talk contribs created page Technical overview of the ratings system (Created page with "Let's take a very simple situation. You want to know whether it is going to rain tomorrow. You don't know so you ask two knowledgeable sources this question. One of them believes it will rain with a probability of 60%. The other believes it will rain with a probability of 80%. We can sketch this situation as follows: You combine these probabilities using some aggregation technique. One such technique is Bayes' equation: Pcomb = 0.6*0.8/(0.6*0.8 + 0.4*0.2) = 0.857 An...") Tag: Visual edit
• 22:07, 21 August 2024 Pete talk contribs moved page Internal:Brainstorming 25 to Internal:Brainstorming 25 -- Mediawiki remaining issues, analyzing opinion changes and security
• 21:46, 21 August 2024 Pete talk contribs created page File:Gallup gaymarriage.png
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• 16:16, 20 August 2024 Lem talk contribs created page Template:Transparent (Created page with "<span class="mw-kroki">{{{0}}}</span>")
• 13:31, 20 August 2024 Pete talk contribs created page Internal:Brainstorming 25 (Created page with " == Gitlab to Mediawiki Remaining Issues == Many of these are either file attachments in the original gitlab stuff which didn't move over correctly or greater than or less than math symbols which were not interpreted correctly. Error: snyder.pdf (this was an attachment) (Brainstorming_3) https://wiki.peerverity.info/wiki/Internal:FromGitlab/Information_Literacy_and_Civic_Engagement_in_the_Digital_Age *************************************************************...")
• 13:49, 15 August 2024 Eric talk contribs created page User:Eric Frias (Created page with "<kroki lang="graphviz"> graph { a1 [label=<a₁>] b1 [label=<b₁>] a2 [label=<a₂>] a3 [label=<a₃>] a4 [label=<a₄>] h1 [label=<h₁>] b2 [label=<b₂>] g1 [label=<g₁>] h2 [label=<h₂>] h3 [label=<h₃>] l1 [label=<l₁>] a5 [label=<a₅>] j1 [label=<j₁>] i1 [label=<i₁>] m1 [label=<m₁>] l2 [label=<l₂>] m2 [label=<...") Tag: Visual edit: Switched
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• 16:19, 7 August 2024 Pete talk contribs created page Internal:Brainstorming 24 (Created page with "We envision ratings-based communities as voluntary organizations. People choose to join them voluntarily and can leave them at will. The US, as well as many other nation-states, have a joining process (ie green card, citizenship, etc) and a process of citizenship renunciation. For individuals, community-based processes will exist for these although we anticipate that it will be less bureaucratic, faster, and more informal. The ratings system itself will be able to do muc...") Tag: Visual edit
• 19:06, 1 August 2024 Lem talk contribs changed group membership for Donna from (none) to associate
• 19:05, 1 August 2024 User account Donna talk contribs was created
• 18:22, 1 August 2024 Lem talk contribs created page File:A52b326fa655929fd493d2be0a7306c5 image.png (== Summary == Importing file)
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