I don't recall a time when there have been so many crashes in modern-day commercial aviation, even going back into the 90's. Or am I just old with a terrible memory?
Prior to this month, the last fatal commercial domestic airline crash was in 2009.
Not sure but Asiana Airlines Flight 214 to SF in 2013 is the last international flight that I can recall.
The fatality in that case was also due to a secondary cause. I think one of the firetrucks ran over a passenger evacuating from the plane.
sort of? passenger wasn’t wearing her seatbelt & was ejected from the plane during the crash - i think there were a couple others that were too? - and unfortunately wasn’t visible under the fire fighting foam. there are mixed reports on if she was killed by the crash or on being run over.
yeah... I mean the plane I remember was on approach for a regular landing, they went a bit slower than required and stalled. Can't understand how someone didn't have their belt on during final approach.
"False, pt121 operations, yes.

Pt135 operations are also “commercial” and crash more often."
I know nothing about aviation, so I'm curious. What is the difference between pt121 and pt135?
FAA certificates. 122 are the normal passenger airliners with regularly scheduled flights. Part 135 is nonscheduled charter.
"What he said

121= airlines
135= charter

For any fellow pilots or avgeeks, I know it’s not black and white like that, but I’m trying to describe it to layperson."
And charter means... Like a private jet? Or cargo shipments?
"You and a bunch of your wealthy buddies want to go to Orlando for a wine mixer, but you don’t want to fly delta because you’re rich, you “charter” (rent) a plane from a charter company, pilot included, show up and go.

Netjets is a good example."
Not even necessarily super wealthy. I flew into the back country of Canada for a fishing trip with a couple of guys in 172 Skyhawks. Cost us, grand total, about $2500 to fly 6 guys in and out from Minneapolis to the back country of Manitoba.
"I fly a 172 a few times a week, 172s are cheap but the vast majority of charters are in citations or PC24s/gulfstreams

But yes you can find them cheap! If you fly a 172 that is, lol."
I'm so incredibly envious that you get up a few times a week. It's been like 2 months since I last flew. Working on my 91 right now and Christ, it's fucking expensive.
Yeah at $416 per person round trip that's cheaper than some normal commercial flights
Also things oilfield operations where helicopters shuttle crew/cargo to offshore rigs.
Wait we actually get facts.  Thank you,  and I am not being sarcastic.  I know enough about US aviation to be both comforted and nervous.  I am unsure, but I think it should be noted that an airline crash due to mechanical is more common then a crash due to air traffic control, and both are rare
You’re welcome, also I’d like to remind everyone that even with all the news coverage on recent crashes, flying (121 and 135) is still multiple times safer than driving, since I wrote that comment an hour ago, 5 people have passed in car accidents (one every 12 minutes rule of thumb)
How many people fly every minute vs drive? I’m curious how much safer it is based on bodies moving
"At least for commercial air travel of the normal sort (large planes) you are much safer, deaths per passenger mile for cars is a lot higher.

If you go all the way down to bush planes in Alaska it gets more dangerous, possibly more dangerous than driving (though I don't know if it's more dangerous than driving in rural Alaska, which would be the alternative, if it existed at all)."
I think deaths per passenger mile is a bullshit metric honestly. If I'm boarding an 8 hour flight, I'm not interested in the chance of dying per mile travelled, I'm interested in the chance of dying on that flight. It's not like I would have driven from e.g Europe to Tokyo on holiday if I didn't take the plane, I would have gone somewhere closer.
That's fine, the numbers look even better per passenger per trip, or even just per trip.
Kinda like the statistic you’re more likely to get shot if you own a gun. Well no kidding, you’re around guns more.
That’s research I haven’t done, I’m sure you could look that up, report back with what ya find
"> Pt135 operations are also “commercial” and crash more often.

I assume this is what bush flights in Alaska are?"
"Right, either 135 or 91. I’m glad you bring that up actually, remember that Bering air crash about a week ago? Grand caravan crashed killing all 10 on board, part 135.

Pt91 is general aviation, you run into some money and buy a Cessna 172 to fly around in, pt91, or a bush plane in Alaska flying around for fun.

Pt135 is charter planes or small commuter airlines, think private jets or smaller cargo operations, like that small commuter grand caravan that went down in Alaska.

Pr121 delta, united, American, so on and so forth, very very safe."
"Are there nationwide crash statistics for each different group? I mean that are easily accessible and easy to understand for lay people?

I assume the 135 and 91 that you mention have a higher rate because they aren’t necessarily professionals? Or is there something in the technology that makes it less reliable?"
"You’d have to research the different statistics, but yes I’m sure the NTSB has statistics published somewhere

The “reason” or part of it that 135 and 91 is more dangerous is risk tolerance and regulation. 135 and 91 in most cases are free to take on a little more in flight “risk” as well with MX, I’d still fly 135 in a heartbeat, and I do fly part 91 multiple times a week, and it’s the most “dangerous”

Also, to be a part 121 pilot you must have 1500 flight hours in the US, 135 is 250, and 91 is 0."
Ok, Dwight
Still right though
Ok, Walter
https://i.imgur.com/0CjV6Xo.jpeg
Haha I do kinda sound like him, I’m right though, free to look it up
Is this a reference to some old tv show?
Aviation has made great strides in safety, and serious incidents are becoming increasingly rare.
Well, until this year.
This calendar year, actually this past 3.5 weeks.
"There was a fatality on the 2019 penn air crash in dutch harbor. Small blip on the news at the time, would be massive news story today

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/PenAir_Flight_3296"
So none of those 737 Maxes were domestic?
Nope
No because the U.S. requires training on runaway trim while other countries didn't. So when it happened in the U.S., and it did multiple times. It was just an exciting day for the fancy bus drivers, not their last day.
"This is not true. Both 737 Maxes that crashed were operated by airlines that trained in runaway trim.

The MCAS trimming was stop start, and not immediately obvious to the runaway trim that pilots train for."
"There's a reason both crashes were with lower tier (African and Indonesian) airlines.  Training was well below minimum standards for any western carrier.

Despite the (justified) reaming Boeing got over the MCAS issue, the procedures that pilots should have memorised for runaway trim on the older generation aircraft were completely effective in preventing a crash, the pilots of the planes that crashed didn't follow the fairly simple procedure."
Yes, there is a reason airplane travel is the safest form of travel in the US. For now...
"You need to go back and look at the final reports again.

The plane involved in the Indonesian Case *the flight before* had the same MCAS activation, and was successfully caught by the crew, had maintenance as a result, all immediately before the incident flight.

On the incident flight, (and in the Egypt Air case), the MCAS activation was started and stopped multiple times due to the pilots interventions, however, because it was *not* a runaway stabilizer, but a poorly implemented system, the pilots procedures for a runaway stabiliser were not applicable, and continuing further into the checklist would have been an exceptional, resourceful, and abstract action.

Let's not forget that this checklist item only exists because of these incident flights:
>     If the runaway stops after the autopilot is disengaged:

>         Do not re-engage the autopilot or autothrottle.

The pilots in the incident flights, (absent any response from Boeing to Air Egypts Chief Pilot's Inquiry), did not know that the autopilot was rendered inoperable by MCAS failure, because they did not know the system existed. 

Your reasoning is a lot like the prosecutors in the Hudson ditch, expecting pilots to *instantly* react the optimally-correct way under pressure, whereas in reality, a moments' hesitation can cause a feedback loop that is unrecoverable, or even a sub-optimal but correct action is insufficient.

MCAS should not have been able to trim out the plane faster than pilot; it should not have reset with the pilots input; it should not have relied on a single sensor; the MAX should have been fitted with AOA displays and disagree warnings as standard, not an optional extra.

To blame this on training when it is a defect is like blaming the Toyota drivers when Toyota designed a floor mat that could prevent the brake pedal being depressed."
Wasn’t an airline, but Buffalo attorney Steve Barnes of Celino and Barnes (injury attorneys, call 888-8-8-88) died in a plane crash about 5 years ago. I wonder how common these smaller fatal crashes are? The only reason I knew about that one is because he was semi-famous, especially here in southern Ontario where we get all the Buffalo commercials. I’d assume a lot of them probably don’t make it on the news though.
There was only one domestic this year.
"[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Availability\_heuristic](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Availability_heuristic)

Small plane crashes happen all the time. What happened was a major airplane crash on US soil (the DCA one), which causes a stir whenever small plane crashes inevitably occur."
Kind of like what happened with train crashes a few years back.  One big one happens and then the small ones that are always happening get highlighted for awhile.
Yea.  Obviously the massive derailment in Ohio was a legit disaster, but trains derail all the time.  UPS will update your tracking to specify when it's being delayed by a derailment.  Depending on where it is, it can be a pain in the ass to fix, but once you get a crane to the location, fixing most derailments is trivial.
Trains derail all the time but it's like they get off the tracks, it's nowhere near people, they get it on the tracks, and everything is fine with a bit of delay. The train in Ohio was carrying some extremely toxic chemicals straight though a place where people lived and then crashed into the town causing one of the largest ecological disasters delivering hazardous goods via trains through where people live.
"Yeah that's a good comparison.

https://www.bts.gov/content/train-fatalities-injuries-and-accidents-type-accidenta

Over the past decade the US averages about 1250 derailments a year. So that's about 3 or 4 a day, and most of them are completely uneventful.

The Palestine OH one occurred where it also happened to catch fire while carrying hazardous material so all of the other 3 or 4 a day occurrences that no one ever cares about starting making the news and everyone all of a sudden thinks it's a new phenomena even though the real data says they've been trending down since their peak of 8000 derailments/yr in the 1980s.


We've now had a horrific plane crash with way more deaths/casualties than is normal, so all of the other small ones that still occur every week are getting reported on.

In a couple of weeks, maybe a month, it will lose the public's interest and people will go back to forgetting that it happens every day just on less brutal scale"
Now apply this to crime
So regional jet crashes are always happening & crash in Toronto just got highlighted because it happened so close to crash in DC?
That's why the mayor said "send in more trains!"
"Honestly, when most people think about ""plane crashes"", it's commercial airlines they're thinking about. It's not somebody crashing their Cessna 172, or even a corporate Gulfstream—most people never fly on those.

For most people, a ""crash"" counts when it's the type of flight they know that they (or someone they love) could very easily have been on. And that type is your standard commercial flight that you booked on Google.

Small planes present an entirely different risk profile to which most people are never exposed, rendering those incidents as personally irrelevant."
“This plane is so small if it crashes it’s not even making the local evening news.” - John Mulaney
A plane crashed in my hometown when I was in high school. It barely got reported on, just a couple articles on the local news affiliates' websites. So crazy that you could fall out of the sky and die and all the locals would forget about you by the next morning.
So crazy that you crash your car into another, die, and all the locals would forget about you by the next morning.
I don't know what kind of people you know, but maybe they just don't like you.
It's not really news when most people die. Doesn't mean the people who actually knew them won't remember them. I mean, you still remember them after this time so that's at least something.
FWIW a plane crashed near my small hometown in Idaho in like the 80s and there is still a monument to the crash victims that gets taken care of, so maybe it just depends
There's a horse in the hospital.
these arent small plane crashes at all though......
Alaska, Pennsylvania, DCA, California, Toronto, I know theres been more
I mean a major Delta flight just crashed so that destroys this argument
And the while it was a small plane, the one in Philly was a commercial flight and crashed right in the middle of a dense city block. When they say small airplane crash happen often I think they mean private planes over areas that don’t have much population.
That was not a commercial flight. That was a medical charter jet. Really sad story about a child and her family flying home from Shriner's Children hospital.
The crash in Philly was not a commercial flight.
Yes it was. Commercial means dealing with commerce. The plane was a medical charter. Someone chartered the plane. Which means they paid for it to take that flight. It was not a private citizen flying around for fun in their own vehicle. A business transaction occurred. i.e. Commerce
And a Provincial Airlines Q400 had a gear collapse leading a huge engine fire like a month before the DCA crash and you would have known nothing about it.
"Because nobody died, right? 


It was a near miss, not a disaster."
"Exactly. It wasn't sensational enough to garner a ton of attention, so news networks didn't see it as profitable.

Now that there has been a disaster, there is attention on the subject, so every near miss is going to get attention. Such a Toronto, which had no deaths, the jet in San Fran that had no deaths, or the Alaska or Philly ones that are monthly occurrences.

The same thing happened with train derailments a few years ago.

Give it about another month, and suddenly, you'll stop hearing about plane crashes, even though they will be happening at roughly the same rate."
A private plane crashed in my MIL’s back acreage on September 8th, 2001. After they removed the bodies, the wreckage sat while it was investigated. She said the two NTSB (or whatever agency) agents was investigating it showed up on the afternoon of the 11th, threw all the debris in a truck, and she never saw them again.
Ok, so, that’s what they’re asking. They’re not asking about Cessnas.
How many planes have crashed in the last couple months?
I think we're on five now? Four in the states and one in Canada.
7
"27 so far this year:

[Aviation Safety Network > > ASN Aviation Safety Database results](https://asn.flightsafety.org/database/year/2025/1)"
GD, I was just counting the ones I’ve seen on the news. Crazy
It’s really not, that’s kind of where we are this time last year 
I got you. When you’re normally ignorant to the norm it’s rather eye opening. If not for the 7 I’ve seen on the news ytd thus far, I’d never have learned from your comment. My bad if I worded that weird.
Outside of the aviation community, most people have no idea.
That’s how the media is, unfortunately 
"The only reason you’ve seen them on the news is because of the DC crash. Media showed whatever gets clicks. Planes are hot news right now so things that normally aren’t news becomes news, or is a 10 second segment that you don’t think about again. 

The plane in Canada that flipped over but nobody died would be like a 10 second segment before they move on, and you’d go “oh wow that’s crazy” and not give it a second thought.

Admittedly the Philly small medical jet definitely would have made the news but that’s more a coincidence than anything.

You think things are worse than they are because you’re seeing it in the news when you weren’t previously. 

Remember when everything thought we suddenly had a ton of spy balloons and everyone was like “wtf??” And then it was just a ton of weather balloons that were always there but weren’t news but now they suddenly are? 

The dc crash is a major airliner and a large plane. That hasn’t happened in 16 or so years. That IS major news. The rest is mostly fluff. You legit could have died on that dc plane. The rest were incredibly unlikely the average person would be on. 

Someone said 7 crashes over the past 3 weeks? So that’s 945,000 flights. Your odds of being on one of those planes (even though all but 1 isn’t even a large plane you’d be on for Normal travel) is 0.00074%"
"Not really. Go look at the actual data. Air Kasai crash in Congo, zero fatalities. Privately owned small airplane crash in Kazakhstan, zero fatalities.  
  
You're hearing ""27 airplane crashes so far this year"" and you're probably thinking ""27 commercial airline crashes involving injuries and/or fatalities in highly populated countries,"" but the database covers *far* more than that.  
  
For comparison, by February 18 of 2024, there were 33 crashes.  
By February 18 of 2023, there were 38 crashes.  
By February 18 of 2022, there were 22 crashes.  
  
You get the idea."
How does that compare to last year?
there were 31 incidents by feb 17 of last year, 33 by feb 18
So then we have had less incidents this year so far is what you’re saying?
Correct. But that's absolutely not what the media would have you think.
I don't think you can put this squarely on the media.  The DC crash was terrible and the worst disaster in the US since '09.  The PA crash was equally horrifying, but not a commercial airliner.  However, add in the South Korea terribleness plus this crazy event in Toronto and anyone would be a little bit anxious about flying now, regardless if it was commercial or not.
"All air crashes are horrible, but none of this is really out of ordinary for aviation, and the accident rate is pretty normal as well. 

You are just seeing them on the news right now. 

Driving to the airport is quite literally hundreds of times more dangerous than getting on a plane."
Small planes crashing in remote Alaska happen far too often and shouldn’t be counted with crashes at major airlines in the US. At least in this context. It’s a totally different risk profile and way of travel.
A few more have happened elsewhere in the world, like that Korean flight that smashed into a wall and a DHL cargo plane that missed the runway by a mile for no apparent reason. Also russia shot down another civilian airliner.
"Obviously the DC crash and the one that just took place in Canada are big accidents in commercial aviation and should have news coverage. 

What’s happens when there is a big aviation accident is the news becomes hyper aware of anything aviation related for the next few weeks/months. What this means is that general aviation accidents or military accidents that would usually go unnoticed by large news networks are all of the sudden being reported on because of the attention the bigger commercial accidents have shown on the industry. 

Realistically the numbers of accidents are about the same as they always have been but news coverage makes it seem a lot more accident prone than it really is."
"Realistically the air traffic controllers and pilots have been warning everyone this was coming for the past year or two:

https://time.com/6968013/american-airlines-pilots-union-significant-spike-safety-issues/

https://www.npr.org/2023/11/09/1211838624/air-traffic-controllers-shortage-close-calls-senate-safety-near-miss-senate"
The FAA rulebook is written in blood. No new rules without some blood.
But deregulation good? If FAA are going to put pesky regulations in this will decrease profitability of the airlines. What's more important, stopping the odd crash and saving a few hundred lives or increasing Q3 growth by an extra 0.3%?
"Depends on your perspective. The 1% can only see that 0.3%. They have their own jet.

Almost everyone is getting to their destination, what's the problem?"
Exactly, and rich people don't have to drink contaminated water, or worry about healthcare costs, or suffer workplace injuries so why would they care for regulations?
Same with OSHA but they want to gut that agency too.
OP is asking about crashes , not accidents. Accidents are somewhat commonplace; crashes are not, and are far more severe.
Another comment says before this, the last fatal airline crash was 2009.
Commercial large aircraft.  People die in plane crashes kind if regularly.
Modern aviation remains one of the safest forms of transportation.
Because of stringent safety regulations, which the current administration is hell bent on eliminating. Not just relating to airline safety, but across the board. Workers safety, health safety, anything having to do with the well being of citizens
Trump did it last time; everyone saw it. People were dropping dead in the only real 'record numbers' Trump ever achieved (apart from money illicitly collected from political office), and then we had a spate of derailments of trains carrying toxic loads that Trump had specifically executive ordered deregulation of. And still some lunatics voted for the chump.
"Most Americans are just toddlers in adult bodies who want to do the opposite of what they are told is the correct choice. 

Anyone who has spent time around a toddler will know what I mean."
It certainly was. Let's see how the year goes.
Try to avoid conflating the fact that the media is reporting on it with the idea that it's happening more often. Granted, there were the two terrible disasters in both DC and Philadelphia, and yes these disasters are extremely rare so it's strange that they happened at all let alone so close to each other. That said, news media is reporting on all of the non-commercial plane crashes that happen much more often, because plane crashes generate clicks right now. Like the Navy fighter jet pilots who ejected in San Diego; it was initially reported as a "jet crash" even though no one was hurt.
Not that it changes any of your points, was just adding that OP is probably talking about the crash landing that just happened in TOR too.
Accidents like the one involving the Navy pilots in San Diego, which were not serious, are sometimes reported with sensationalist terms because they attract attention and generate clicks.
2 (three now with the one in Toronto) is 3\*x more than the past 15 years though.
It's clearly the DEI lol, and not that we've fired thousands of people who work to keep plane flights safe
"The issues in the DC crash have probably been going on for years and years for what its worth.


What happened today was also likely something that was unrelated to that as well.


While you are right what they are doing is dumb I dont think its effects have been felt yet."
Well Toronto is in Canada, but the plane was also landing in a bad snowstorm, with radio reports including wind gust and snow on runway warnings. Luckily everyone survived, but I don't think it was anything but just terrible conditions and some kind of minor pilot mistake possibly
It's neither. The firings are incredibly stupid and Trump will make air travel very dangerous (and pilots in limited supply since the firings will make it hard to get new ones) but these crashes were not caused by his actions.
"It reminds me exactly like when there were ""all of these"" sinkholes happening everywhere all the time.

They happen regularly and around the world.

The real problem is the *""news""* trying to get more traffic/clicks/ratings; it's a shit model for delivering the truth because sometimes the news just isn't ""spectacular"" enough."
"There have been [87 ](https://www.wdsu.com/article/us-commercial-airplane-crash-history/63635580)commercial plane crashes in the past 55 years in the USA. The one in Washington in January was the first since 2009 though. There have been 4 in 2025 already. So I guess, draw whatever conclusion you want from that. But the answer is yes, there are more crashes in the past 2 months than the past 15 years.

\*edited for spelling\*"
"Here is a sampling of aircraft incidents over the last year or so: [https://www.faa.gov/newsroom/statements/accident\_incidents](https://www.faa.gov/newsroom/statements/accident_incidents)

Small aircraft accidents and crashes are more common than one may think but rarely make the news.

A major incident like DC or Toronto is notable, and DC was particularly tragic, so these make the news, and everyone becomes very aware, but still, there are around 45,000 scheduled daily flights in the USA alone."
Another Delta Airlines just crashed in Toronto. Flipped upside down. Must have been all the ice.
"One article said winds reached 40 mph on the ground and were even stronger several hundred feet in the air.

Some injuries but thankfully everyone is expected to survive."
So far, it appears everyone is walking away from that one at least.
"Aviation is just getting more attention right now after the accident in DC back in Jan.  Every little bump that happens in the aviation world gets highlighted now.  Same thing happened back in 2009 when the last fatal airline crash in the US occurred.

This happens every time there is an aviation mishap.  We go from ~~now~~ not hearing anything about aviation, then suddenly there is a rash of lots of mishaps when in reality, they are simply getting reported on instead of being ignored."
Yeah, no one gives a shit about excursions or overshoots most of the time. The media thinks it's a hot topic right now and since the media sets the agenda, it lives in the collective subconscious right now.
Yup.  I see so many people making comments on various social media that I want to correct/inform that it would be exhausting.  I work in aviation, have for over 20 years, earned a degree in aviation safety and investigation.  So many people just have no idea what they're talking about or know so little that they tend to freak out when something like this happens, which is sort of understandable.
Even reminding people that they're more likely to get in an accident on the way to the airport versus on a plane isn't enough. Road crashes are so commonplace that the media never reports on it. When it comes to other forms of transportation, with how uncommon they are relatively, they WILL focus on it for weeks.
"My exwife hates flying, one thing she tried to explain to me was that for her anxiety, part of it was the lack of control.  Which I totally get.  Some people, the fear of flying and having an accident is a big part of not being in control and also shear ignorance of aviation in general.

Having to explain what speed/aerodynamic tape is to someone when they want to die on the hill that it's just duct tape is hard enough."
"\>one thing she tried to explain to me was that for her anxiety, part of it was the lack of control.

This is exactly it for me.  Fear of heights doesn't help much either lol."
Crashes in commerical avaition are rare in North America, fatal crashes are even more rare.  Smaller private aircraft incidents are far more common.  After the crash in DC the media has been hyper sensitive to any and all plane crashes, many of the smaller crashes you are hearing about wouldn't have even made it outside of local news before.
I would say most, if not all, are now getting national attention.  When you combine commercial, military and private aviation, there were over 5K accidents in 2024.
"But very few were fatal.

I looked at the Jan and Feb 2024 data and there were zeros all the way down the line except for the occasional “2.”"
In the 5K accidents, over 1500 fatalities.  Again, that # is commercial with military and the private sector all combined.  Majority by far, private aircraft.
There has been one big plane crash in recent weeks, the one in DC that was first fatal commercial flight in like 20 years. There have regularly been non-fatal crashes, private plane crashes, etc. but the media is more tuned in and people perceive patterns more when something is in the news.
It’s like shark summer. Commuter and private planes crash a lot, the media is just choosing to include them because of a positive feedback loop.
For a while there, they weren't crashing but were losing doors and other parts. Sometimes things happen in clusters.
"Small plane crashes happen all the time.

What's new this year is:

F-18 shot down by USS Gettysburg

F-35 crash onto a runway

F-16 crash into the ocean

Helicopter colliding with a commercial airliner"
Dont worry, soon enough you wont hear of any planes crashing in mainstream media.
i have a flight in less than 12 hours please don’t do this to me rn
I just flew across the country twice last week. Yes it’s unnerving but when you think about how many flights take off and land daily in North America, you realize it’s safer than driving. You will be fine :) You will get there safely
Statistically, no, they're just getting a lot more coverage now.
"Remember that train derailment in ohio

Then we had like 7 more train derailments?


Well their fairly common and its just the topic of the day"
Because media is covering it more
There is a slight increase over normal but it is mostly they are getting more attention right now making it seem like there is a big increase.
"There are a lot more than you think.

These [NTSB](https://www.ntsb.gov/Pages/monthly.aspx) stats go back to '62

[https://www.ntsb.gov/Pages/monthly.aspx](https://www.ntsb.gov/Pages/monthly.aspx)"
Thanks for this. It'd be great if they also tallied it against total miles flown by segment.
Well, they confirmed more cuts at the FAA so I'm sure that stress might mess things up.
"Part of this is presentation bias on the part of the press.  They know that most of us don't know that there are 2000 small plane accidents in the US every year.  So if they present small plane accidents with larger ones, we perceive a problem.  

It doesn't hurt that lots of people see the writing on the wall for Boeing and bad press for the air industry in general might make those call options pay off someday (but I really doubt it).

In reality in the past month there was one terrible medium plane tragedy, today's incident where the ghost of Neil Peart saved the entire compliment of a plane rollover, and three to six small plane incidents to report on *every single other day*."
I mean. The crashes recently I wouldn’t put as small, we have a plane with its wings gone upside down. I’d say that’s a pretty major one.
In Canada, with no fatalities.  That is part of the presentation bias.
I didn’t say anything about the US, and Jesus if you can’t claim a plane with its wings missing and upside down as a major crash…. I’m unsure what is.
My brother I'm just trying to point out that all of these things are different and likely cannot be considered together as some sort of new phenomenon.  It's just new to the people who noticed.
A quick google search tells me that there are an average of almost 50 airplane crashes per year. This seems to be a normal amount.
Not commercial planes. It's usually private planes that crash
In North America? Usually its the older planes bought by smaller national airline sno?
It’s about the same. It’s a media thing. If you vaguely recall the Palestine Train derailment in Ohio, it received vast media attention. For months after the media frequently covered train accidents. But the number of train accidents was pretty average during the time. They are always happening(same with plain crashes but to a far lesser extent) but the media gets an issue and runs with it for a while until a new cooler issue to focus on appears.
Woah Reddit algorithm working overtime. Right below this post in my feed was a post from DamnThatsInteresting about a plane crash in north Toronto
The NTSB has a database on their website, which tracks aircraft accidents.  It's very user-friendly. You can review those statistics,  numbers, preliminary, and completed accident reports for yourselves. Aircraft accidents happen all the time, but large air carrier commercial accidents do not.  The media tends to report on more of smaller general aviation type accidents after a large air carrier commercial accident.
1200 crash a year, nothings changed really
It does.  About every 20 yrs. By that time maintenance has lacked.  Airline corps likes to pocket money.
My dad worked his entire career and he told me there was once a crash at the airport he worked at. Then for months following the news would report every single mishap that happened in the aviation industry. Although as he described it those mishaps were normal, and nothing to fear about. I think there is an increase focus due to the recent accidents, but things will normalize overtime.
No. It's still about average. Actually so far it's been better than normal but it's only February.
From another user: On Donald Trump’s 2nd day he fired the head of the Transportation Security Administration, fired the entire Aviation Security Advisory Committee, froze hiring of all Air Traffic Controllers  and fired the 100 top FAA security officers.
Starting an across the board hiring freeze at the FAA which already has an air traffic controller shortage will tend to do that yeah.
According to the NTSB’s official CAROL database of aviation accident investigations, there have been 50 accidents since Trump was inaugurated. By contrast, NTSB recorded 94 aviation accidents during Biden’s first month in office in 2021.
this is why you dont go near anything that could even be perceived as lowering flight safety, it will just become a thing, true or not wont matter.
Dude, I’ve been shaken up ever since I went on a plane Dec 5 of last year over some bad turbulence and it made me never want to go on a plane again. Then after that I started seeing all these crashes everywhere. Like I’ve been flying throughout my whole life as a kid fearlessly. I don’t know if it’s cause I’m older now or what but I’m scared to even get on a plane. Think about it, they say it’s safer than driving a car, but like when you’re thousands of feet in the air, no parachutes, no way of handling it “yourself”. I don’t know I def think it’s weird.
It’s there showing all of them. Just like when the train derailed. All the sudden they happening every other day. Nothing had changed besides the coverage.
"You are not wrong. 

But I am absolutely, totally, completely sure, without a second of hesitation, that this is just ~~not~~ a coincidence."
Enjoy the numbers while you can. The plan is not to publish statistics if they even collect them at all.
I get why it feels like plane crashes are happening more often, but the data says otherwise—commercial aviation is safer than ever. The news just makes rare events feel more common than they really are
"> but the data says otherwise—commercial aviation is safer than ever

We've got to keep in mind that ""data"" only looks at past information. It can be used to look forward but only if you assume that underlying conditions aren't changing. Given what Trump, Musk, and the Republican Party are doing to the FAA, we shouldn't assume that air travel safety going forward will be at the same level as air travel safety over the 20 years."
Trump and Musk cutting more FAA staff .. let’s get these accident numbers to go up more
Yeah Trump and his dipshit friends fucked up the plane people jobs
The Trump effect
Big planes almost never crash. Small planes crash CONSTANTLY. It’s a coincidence.
Gee, it's almost like someone borked the air traffic control system 
"Da gUbBermEnt iS dUmB.


Fire the government.


wHY iS aLL ThiS dUmB sHyte hAPpeNing?"
"Yes, it is worse. 

what could possibly go wrong with a presidential  administration harassing federal employees like air traffic controllers?"
There have been seven crashes since trump fired FAA employees
It's almost like they actually need all the people they fired!
No, it’s weird. It’s almost like maybe the FAA played a very important role in keeping us safe.
"You are correct.  Objectively it cannot be argued otherwise.


The interpretation is the thing to be careful about.  Is it shitty traffic control thanks to the new administration?  Is it Boeing making a shit product?  Is it just random chance that appears to have a pattern but isn't actually statistically significant in any way?  


I don't have an answer on that part.  I fucking hate the new administration in the US, I doubt we will get good information on the crashes that have happened, but I think I would encourage caution in laying blame too quickly.  I will blame the new administration for everything I can, but only with clear and objective evidence."
"I think it has to do with other news happening.  Before the election, planes were crashing and nobody seemed to care.  But now the election is over, news media is making small things in to big things. 

The make money promoting news and pic the most exciting news available.  Sometimes if there is no news they make it up."
"It happens more often than people think. Go to youtube and search for VASAviation, there are dozens of ground incursions and small planes that crash that doesn't get national attention.


https://www.youtube.com/@VASAviation/videos"
"Nope, they are just putting them on the news more since the DC mid-air collision. 

It is extremely rare for Part 121 (airlines) to have an accident, more common (but still very rare) for other commercial aircraft to have accidents, and it is very common for Military and General (private) aviation aircraft to have accidents. 

See for yourself:

[asn.flightsafety.org/database/](https://asn.flightsafety.org/database/)"
Gonna go way up as Musk uses you to beta test whatever he’s about to install with the SpaceX lackeys he just set loose in the FAA.
You couldn’t pay me to fly in this administration
No, people are not looking at the history. It’s been a problem for a couple of years now. I opted against voting family last year with the doors falling off and other issues
"When someone makes a drastic, unadvised, unsafe change - like DJT randomly firing ATC people to save a few pennies, it puts the topic in peoples mind.  The triggering event could have easily been related to the dumbassiness of the POTUS, but then it also triggers biases and the ""algorithm"" to feed the biases.  So it is probably ""correct"" to some degree, but also probably blow own of proportion.

Regardless, MAGA and anyone that voted for DJT and his loud plan to destroy safety - was blatantly voting to murder innocent people."
"Small plane crashes are a common occurrence. What's not common is major airlines losing commercial jets in the U.S. Prior to Trump taking office again, no major airline crashes happened for 14 years, back in Obama's first term.

Since Trump was sworn in, at least three major airline crashes have occurred in the U.S and North America. This is directly tied to his removing leaders in the FAA and threatening to fire the majority of all of the air traffic controllers."
My Dad once told me that airplane crashes come in 3s. 1 2 3. Crashes and then they are done. I have yet to see this not be the case. Airline crashes come in clusters as crazy as it sounds.
Yep, and another crash today by a plane that took off in US and crashed in Canada.
Classic red car theory.
A [United flight from Lagos to DC](https://www.cbsnews.com/amp/news/united-airlines-sudden-movement-lagos-dulles-injuries-ntsb-investigation/) had to turn around due to a major malfunction 3 weeks ago. Not a crash but crazy unusual.
IMO airlines are keeping planes in service past their prime and maintenance is sorely lacking.
This year ...
There’s increased media coverage since it’s a hot trendy topic, but also I think things like bad regulation enforcement catches up to you all at once sometimes
It’s just you.
[actually:](https://twitter.com/gloatsquirrel/status/1891594511312150970?s=46&t=C-z_PrHSEkg5aCcj72OGyA)
The media’s been focusing on it because it generates clicks atm
"Exactly - now, to be fair, you do give up all the amenities you generally get with air travel and have to be WAY more mindful about weight and balance, but it wasn't prohibitively expensive. Granted, this WAS in like 2008, so nearly 20 years ago, but it was less than it would have cost to fly to Ontario on a normal carrier.

Funny enough, because one of the 172s was significantly heavier than the other due to the generous size of some of the passengers, we had to fly with our throttle at like 80% while they were at full."
It's the same horsepower or less than a Camry,   it definitely feels it when there's more weight.
Not domestic
That was in that new Mel Gibson movie!
While understandable, there have been multiple commercial flight crashes in one month after more than a decade without any in the US.
"It's not that they didn't see it as profitable, because plane crashes are great for news, it's that something else had better video on the day. 


And yeah, trains derail everyday, it's just rare that it matters. The whole toxic chemical spill destroying a town thing is a great attention grabber."
So all of the flight instruction flights are commercial flights too by that logic. Someone paid for the flight!
"Yes, I read about it too. That is still a commercial flight. A charter company owns the plane and hires pilots and staff. They took a contract to fly the patient. The medical personal were on the clock etc.

I was just making the point that it was not a hobbyist out for a joy ride. The pilot was a pro and the plane was professionally maintained and is the 3rd one in 2 weeks give or take. And while I don't want to jump to conclusions, it's very strange."
Admittedly I think about that more than the average person as my dad flies recreationally. In general aviation is super safe but there's always risks.
">In a couple of weeks, maybe a month, it will lose the public's interest

Nah fam, we'll see MAGA memes for years blaming this all on Biden somehow"
What? Apply what to crime? The statistics? They entirely different. Please state what you mean
Crime is down significantly since the 90s but the media over reporting would have you believe it is very high, at levels unheard of. It’s very untrue, the USA is extremely safe right now compared to its past and especially compared to the rest of the world.
Hell yeah it is, glad we finally did something about that border, sheesh.
No, crime was down well before Biden passed his asylum restriction law that cut immigration at the border down by 90%.
Jesus the flying public is so dumb.
Until this *month.
You say that, but the post you replied to said "airline crash" which I think most people would consider distinct from part 135 operations [including you in particular apparently](https://reddit.com/r/NoStupidQuestions/comments/1irv4k0/is_it_just_me_or_have_more_planes_crashed_in/mdbt9ff/).
The office (American version)
The general public will not, ask me how I know, I go through it during every class reunion or family event, the general public won’t know the difference from JSX/Contour and a Skywest jet, look up JSX and then Skywest planes, folks think both are 121 airlines, they are not.
"This is really subjective though. I don't think most people are familiar with JSX/Contour. When someone says airline, they think of Delta or United, which are part 121.

The more substantial correction to make in my humble opinion would have been to point out PenAir Flight 3296."
I think we are making the same point… the general public cannot differentiate between JSX and Skywest, hence my original comment attempting to educate people on the fact that these “airlines” fly under a different set of regulations.
"Very informative.  Thanks!

> united... very very safe.

So long as you don't get beat up by the staff."
Hahaha yes. Some staff interactions can be interesting to say the least
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Wrong Walter.
Thanks for the information! Aviation is something I know almost nothing about, so you gave me some stuff to learn about.
No problem! I love talking this stuff, also ChatGPT is surprisingly good at explaining this stuff, far better than I can
Happy cake day fellow cake day!
"> The number of deaths per passenger-mile on commercial airlines in the United States between 2000 and 2010 was about 0.2 deaths per 10 billion passenger-miles.[3][4] For driving, the rate was 150 per 10 billion vehicle-miles: 750 times higher per mile than for flying in a commercial airplane. 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transportation_safety_in_the_United_States

There's probably better sources out there than Wikipedia, but I'm lazy and they were second on google (behind a site I know nothing about)"
"On the flip side, deaths per trip is a bullshit metric because driving 10 minutes to the nearest grocery store  at a max speed of 30 mph is a trip with essentially zero mortality risk. You'd never consider flying to the grocery store. But those kind of short distance, low speed trips probably account for a substantial fraction of car trips and make driving look safer than it actually is on a per-mile basis.

I guess a fair test would compare ~300 mile highway drives with a short hop flight. That's the only distance where you'd realistically choose between driving and flying."
That sounds implausible. The average car trip is almost certaintly shorter than the average plane trip. That means looking at per-trip numbers should benefits cars, while looking at per-mile numbers should benefit planes.
14.
Thank you!
"Would this including tours?

Where do scheduled flights on very small planes fall? For example, up here in the Seattle area you have tiny commercial carriers like Kenmore Air that offer short regional flights with floatplanes and very small planes with wheels. They also offer charter flights to specific locations. It’s kind of like Alaska."
Kenmore Air is probably 135, tours or sightseeing flights usually fall under pt91
And the fact that the FAA has just been gutted, much like the Pandemic Response Team was in 2017.
"That’s the whole year. We are only talking about the few weeks that this guy’s been in office and made this terrible decision.

I am not disputing the other 10 months of 2024."
Oh dang lol.  Does sitting somewhere where you can't look out of a window help at all?  I fly fairly often, and I work on aircraft so I don't have those fears, but I have often wondered what might help folks when they have to fly.
"I definitely prefer not being by/looking out the window, but it isn't horrible.  It makes my stomach a little queasy during takeoff (and landing), especially if we have to make a sharp turn lol.  Turbulence definitely freaks me out though, especially those drops that last a full second or so.

It's more like ""if something goes wrong, it is completely out of my hands"" and the prospect of plummeting towards the ground for a full minute+ to my doom.  Car accidents, by comparison, are at least half under my control, and feel like ""OH SHI-"" and then either you're fine or not."
Every time I click the link, "[Investigation and Other Information](https://www.faa.gov/newsroom/statements/accident_incidents#Top)", it just takes me to the top of the current page - anyone else?
I keep seeing people talking about how these incidents are incredibly rare but is there a reason they are happening? Like the statistics of all plane crashes are relatively the same as compared to past years. But I want to see the statistics of commercial plane crashes in mainland US compared to previous years
What about PenAir Flight 3296?
This, and all non-partisan investigations and reporting agree. Essentially, the assfuckery hasn't even begun to affect air travel yet. Thats still to come!
How could it DEI? Trump said he got rid of DEI on day one so that's long gone.
5 commercial this year.
Just like cars in GTA?
Way more than that crash every month.
Was
"Last fatal airline crash in the US was 2009. Fatal airlines crashes happen all over the world with more regularity than they do here. The US is the safest airline industry in the world mainly because of the FAA and the NTSBs work to fix and moderate rules that effectively reduce accident (which includes crashes). 

My point is that when you have a crash like DC all other accidents and crashes from all aviation sources get projected on a larger scale than they typically would be."
"The ""airline"" vs. ""airplane"" distinction is also really important.  
  
The last fatal airplane crash in the US was in [October 2024](https://asn.flightsafety.org/wikibase/450215).  
Before that was [July 2024](https://asn.flightsafety.org/wikibase/403076).  
Before that was [April 2024](https://asn.flightsafety.org/wikibase/386882).  
Before that was [March 2024](https://asn.flightsafety.org/wikibase/354203).  
And before that (the first in 2024) was in [February 2024](https://asn.flightsafety.org/wikibase/351542).  
  
But they were cargo planes, or private jets, or personally-owned planes, or air show planes, etc."
They pretty much mean the same thing when it comes to planes
An aviation accident is described as an event in which substantial structural damage is inflicted on the aircraft or in case that results in serious injury or death to passenger or crew. So no, not the same
The accident rate is the lowest it has ever been.
"It's the near miss rates that are rising. 

When the people actually doing the job, like air traffic controllers and pilots, are the ones raising the safety concerns, you should listen."
I am a pilot.
"Postal service and weather service too.

An iron grip on social media. I can already feel that."
Random macabre fact: since statehood, Alaska has only sent 14 people to Congress. 8 of them are dead, with 2 *declared* dead due to such plane crashes. Mary Peltola, their former representative, also lost her husband recently this way.
Woah! I'm gonna have to bookmark this site. Very interesting records.
"Fewer crashes but with 3 so far that were far more severe than any of the crashes that happened last year, yes.

And we're grossly heading the wrong direction if we don't want that pattern to continue."
Flying this year has been objectively safer (so far) than last year. Scary headlines may lead you to think otherwise, but you should look beyond the scary headlines and look at the facts. Does wonders for mental health.
"Yeah no, far less severe than last year so far.

Aviation safety has been getting better and better every year since the 1940’s. The accident rate/ fatality rate is far lower now than it was just 10 years ago."
If it bleeds it leads 
What about commercial crashes? Seems like this year there's been many more than any other year.
Ultimately, that's the thing. There hasn't necessarily been more crashes, it's just that the media cares more when they're in America.
"I believe they're up, but I can't really be asked to sort through the database to check. If you're curious, you're free to check yourself.  
[2025 data](https://asn.flightsafety.org/database/year/2025/1)  
[2024 data](https://asn.flightsafety.org/database/year/2024/1)  
[2023 data](https://asn.flightsafety.org/database/year/2023/1)  
[2022 data](https://asn.flightsafety.org/database/year/2022/1)  
[All data](https://asn.flightsafety.org/database/)"
"They started the day after Trump sent resignation letters to all traffic controllers. 
https://federalnewsnetwork.com/tom-temin-commentary/2025/01/federal-air-crash-responders-all-got-the-resign-email/"
The news is just putting the spotlight on it.  There are way more than you know about.
just you. Sadly, happens all the time. Mostly small planes though, which arent otten covered in the news
I was just thinking the same thing. I don’t remember this many in a short period of time.
The news is just putting the spotlight on it.  There are way more than you know about.
Although there are always tragic accidents, the frequency of these has decreased significantly since the 90s and 2000s.
. ..most planes, so far.
If you take the time and look at the flight logs of those planes that had no survivors, you may find some interesting 'follow the money' scenarios.
The news is just putting the spotlight on it.  There are way more than you know about.
Nope, it’s the normal amount. They’re just getting exaggerated media attention
You’d actually be really surprised how many plane crashes happen that we don’t hear about.
It's easy to think there are more plane crashes happening when big ones grab the headlines. But actually, flying has gotten safer over time, even though those rare major incidents make them seem more frequent than they really are. Smaller plane accidents happen quite often but don't get much attention unless it's a serious crash on US soil or involves many people. You might find it interesting to check out FAA statistics, they give a clearer picture of how aviation safety has improved over the years
You think so? /s
you're gonna jinx it, staaahhhp it..
Aviation has gotten safer over time, and with Trump and Musk pushing for innovation and regulatory changes, there’s a good chance it keeps improving. Some worry about deregulation, but others see it as cutting red tape to make things even safer and more efficient. The real question is whether these changes help or hurt in the long run.
Financial deregulation brought on the [great recession](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Recession).
Aviation remains an extremely safe mode of transportation, and advancements in technology and safety have contributed to significantly reducing the frequency of these incidents over the years.
By mixing small plane accidents with large ones, they create a misleading impression that the problems are more common than they really are.
My brother, while I can accept a wheel not coming down, or a plane having an emergency landing with an engine down being considered a minor incident. A plane on its roof missing both wings is not a minor incident.
"Not even disagreeing with you.  But thanks to amazing good fortune, it's never going to be counted as a fatal accident.  

If that other collision hadn't happened the decade-plus streak of no major plane fatalities in North America would have held up.  And this story would be presented in a completely different light."
Does it help that you are still so much more likely to die on your drive to the airport than to die on the plane?
at least the car isnt miles in the air controlled by someone else (two other people)
This
When was the last time a commercial flight crashed in the US killing that many people tho?
I’m kind of feeling like.. ya.
I originally planned to travel to California this August, but if this keeps up, I'm legitimately considering just going somewhere else. I know statistically there's hundreds of flights daily, but still...
Gimli did it.
"""How far do you think we can get on one engine?"" 

""All the way to the scene of the crash."" 

--Ron White"
No I was just saying this it’s kinda odd
Boeing is shit.
"Commercial crashes are rare. Having 2 in the last month or so is rare. 

Private planes crash all the time. 

Since the commercial planes crashed, the media has reported more on smaller private plane crashes also."
Another one today.
I've noticed this too. My fear of airplanes was under control for quite a while, but it is back. Sucks.
It occurs to me that going over the passenger lists carefully might show who they're actually assassinating.
The crashes are normal but the publicizing of them isn't. It's just because media companies know you'll click on them that they report on them that gives the appearance they're happening more than normal. The truth is, they happen every day you're just not told about it.
" Baader-Meinhof

[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frequency\_illusion](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frequency_illusion)"
News media hybridization on clicks over story
Now Delta crash in Toronto. Do we have a ticker going for these crashes?
Two airliner hull losses in a month seems like a lot. But any increase in a small number seems like a lot.
Around the world really, but yes more plane crashes.
"Same thing thats happened with crime stats.

Big things make the news then the news shows more.


Stats say its safe/safer than before."
IIRC there had not been a major airplane crash for 16 years, then five in a month.
Nah. Has been about 80 crashes this year. Usually about 1200 each year. Almost all are smaller crafts though and privately owned.
Guess you haven't been payed Ng attention since 2026 look up how many Boeing planes.
Sounds like you’re just bad with memory. You see, back in 2001…
Literally another one just happened!!!
Exclude Alaska and count again.
Massive layoffs at FAA, to be honest , massive layoffs everywhere, no one is going to have a job at this point.
Are they related to the drones of New Jersey?
Nobody cares about small plane accidents. We’re all worried about *commercial* airlines that we put our trust into when we travel. Just the two videos of the two crashes this year *alone* is enough for people to justifiably conclude that the risks in commercial flying are increasing, even if only slightly.
My boyfriend and I were going to fly somewhere for his bday but now we are not
It seems as if Trump's inauguration has shifted the timeline to increased pilot error and planes crashing.
Couple of months? No, a couple of WEEKS.
Chaos effect or FAFO
"inaccurate comment last century we had 2000 a year we now have 400 a year, Also everybodyPlease never say there are more car crashes. Car crashes rarely result in death. Planes crashing rarely occur without desths

[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aviation\_accidents\_and\_incidents](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aviation_accidents_and_incidents)"
Two major airplane crashes since Trump took over and started firing FAA people yeah.
No,not you.
"I don't know if we have always heard about crashes with only 6 people on them. I think those have happened steadily. The news is now mentioning everything, not just big airliners, because of people's interest. 

This one with the plane losing its wings and flipping over in Canada is different from anything I have heard before."
no its not just you... Me and my family was just discussing this! not just crashes FATAL crashes... It's REALLY weird if you ask me all of a sudden ALL these MOSTLY Delta planes are crashing.... WHY IS THIS....
Because of the deadly crash in DC, now you are hearing about every crash that happens.
Trump
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I think trump/musk may be involved. They are now going to use this as an excuse to revamp the air traffic controllers. Using spacex engineers of all people!
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Good to know it took like 11 minutes for someone to essentially blame black people.
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Please tell me what segment of diversity and inclusion you think cause the crash
MAGAts need a scapegoat of some kind for everything. So "they" are to blame. The "they" changes to suit the situation. Fukkin scumbags.
I don't agree with it, but the MAGA crowd was harping on the "severe intellectual disability" aspect of DEI in regards to aviation. It's probably taken out of context though and people like this were most likely being hired in areas where it wasn't in a safety-sensitive area.
I keep hearing about this and I’m curious. Was there a plane crash recently that had pilots from a DEI initiative? 
No. Pilots are insanely vetted, what's been happening however is years and years of them being pushed further and further with longer hours, less rest and more stressful work conditions paired with the current administration cutting off funding to airplane control and air safety agencies
You could probably easily verify this with a couple minutes of research 
Just you.
"This is a perfect example of how the media streamlines your focus to things based on major events. 

The DC crash means that anything aviation based will now make the front page. There are a ton of small planes crashes each year, but they’re too common and small to break through the algorithm of global news events."
DEI and buying parts from china build and buy American and quit hiring based on meeting DEI goals
Are you trying to say that hiring non-white people to fly planes causes crashes?
Just as affirmative action was ruled unconstitutional 
If they are not qualified for the job absolutely…
"But then instead of bitching about diversity, shouldn't you just be bitching about insufficient training for pilots? 

Perhaps you're just a closeted racist"
Your a fucking idiot… diversity is a problem when you se it as a hiring tool… why not only hire the most qualified reguardless of race sex or social status… no need to even know those things… quit using the race card… call me racist all u want that don’t change the facts
"I full agree that the best should be hired, regardless of race or gender. 

Your claim that DEI is to blame because *a black pilot crashed a plane* is racist, you absolute fucking baboon."
You putting words in my mouth… leftest are all the same… but if you pass a qualified pilot for one to meet a DEI standard yes that’s a problem… I know u all want a race war but that is not gonna happen sorry
"I'm not even American, I just like stirring up racist fuckwits on the internet. 

At what point do you decide that a pilot you know nothing about is unqualified and ""only hired to meet a DEI standard""?

Can you fly planes? Do you know anything at all about aviation?

""I know nothing about planes but I know that it's bad Chinese parts and diversity hiring that caused this crash"" - you, apparently"
Actually I know a lot about planes… my father in law flys and is actually an instructor… I’ve flown a few hours my self… the question was broad… I don’t know a damn thing about what ever crash your talking about… I was talking about all the crashes and plane problems that now plague us… go look at the time line…
"So you *do* know stuff about planes and you still think race/DEI/non-white pilot is the issue? 

Bro is really prepared to die on his racist hill lmaoo"
I don’t even know if the crashes were the pool it’s fault maybe air traffic controllers or the maintenance… or the parts or the manufacturing… but when those other elements are there that be the first place I would look… was any body in any of those positions that honestly didn’t belong… because this is a new problem 
The last admin actually was hiring mentally challenged people as air traffic… and that could be a problem… I would never expect my sister who has downs to do a job she wasn’t up to
Which of the pilots involved in the recent plane crashes was a DEI hire ?
"Have you done any research for yourself? Or no…  last year, 2024, do you know how many people died in the U.S., from aviation related deaths?  Can you guess? Over 300.  

You didnt know this because no one usually cares abt  general aviation.  The media has a political agenda that you guys eat right up with both hands like a fat kid at a pie eating contest.  The commercial deaths/crashes, that’s high.  However we just have been lucky.  Last year alone, were you aware that United airlines totaled two heavy jets!!??  These were due to hard landings, bent the airframe and everything, before that a triple 7, almost crashed leaving Hawaii due to crew incompetence.  300 ft from killing everyone.  Both hard landings at United, incompetent first officers.  DEI hires if you wanna go there.  United had passengers sign NDAs and paid them not to speak.  How’s that make you feel?  A lot goes on that isn’t in the media when they aren’t pushing an agenda."
"Basic timeline:

- Air Traffic Control Agency was forced to fire a a ton of people under Regan while the job takes almost a decade of training to replace people. Agency continues to be understaffed and underfunded since this time to where it can barely keep up with staff attrition. Things only get better because technology improves and remaining staff steps up to fill the gaps.

- Airline safety regulations get reduced under Bush to save a floundering industry post 911. Many of these regulations were put into place after all the problems with the first generation of the 747. This allows the 777 to be pushed into service when it has known mechanical and technical problems.

- Airline companies using cheaper and counterfeit parts to save costs after Covid wrecks economy and supply chain. This allows the number of disasters in the 2020-2025 period possible as components fail despite appearing to be within remaining regulatory rules.

- Trump fires TSA, FAA, leadership and guts their workforce so inspections are more rushed or are just not being done. Trump fires Air Traffic Controllers that are too black, female, or foreign. 

In short, the safety net that kept travelers safe has some major holes in it and nobody seems to care. In fact, they are looking at turning the job over to AI so that everything can potentially come crashing down at the smallest glitch or outage. We're just at the growing pains of modernization, or something. Don't worry, innocent people are the only ones who will be paying the price."
DC crash air traffic control was Biden hired bc of skin color not by skill and reagan is to blame from 1980 really ,you said yourself it takes 10 yrs to be good at the job . I say less. Often the altitudes they see are inacurate
Also we cut the FAA budget in January?
Don't they want to dismantle the FAA? A.I. will be coming to take the flight controller jobs away very soon.
Definitely something that’s been on my mind lately since I’ll be flying for work this summer. *prob will be driving*
It's a metaphor.
It's you
I don’t know. Trumps in charge now.
Trump crash plane dawg.
Well ever since trump called out DEI hires everyone had to prove him right. If only he'd kept his facial asshole shut we'd all be good.  Parody-not parody
"Overall planes? No.Small planes crash all the time.

Regulated, major airlines and military craft? Yes."
Yes
Do all of you live under a fucking rock?! Since February 17th of 2025 which was yesterday, there’s been 87 crashes reported and 4 major ones that had fatalities. Yall better wake up and make some coffee fuck smelling it. Jeez where yall been? There’s a whole conspiracy that they killing off certain types of people on these planes because there’s so many they trying to get rid of. Shits scary, the amount of plane crashes happening in America let alone the world just adds to the conspiracy being true, especially after the Washington D.C. Black Hawk crash. And another literally yesterday in Canada that’s an open investigation right now. Can’t tell me there’s not something fishy happening. 
I feel like the media outlets just decided to focus on one thing more than others cause they don’t want to broadcast certain things. And when they hyper fixate on a topic it makes it seem like there has been a influx
I was thinking the same thing and I am very scared to fly now
It’s not you. Firing the FAA who knew.
Never Forget
It all happened as soon as Trump took office. Before that, aviation had been safe for 16 years
Definitely. Something very suspicious is going on…
It is just you, this happens every now and then but the news really likes to give it airtime because people like you eat it up
Love how all the political spergs are downvoting you for stating a fact. 
Beware of that that reports for sure it seeks to create themes to cause controversy
There are 40,000 less ATC eyeballs looking at planes in skies since 1.21.25.
Yeah, im a pilot and a lot of people will ask me what i think went wrong with the plane and then get upset when i essentially tell them that the pilot fucked up and the plane itself is perfectly safe. People don’t like the truth, they like spooky stories.
Pilot fucked up. Weather was bad. That’s like 99% of aviation accidents. And yeah. It’s frustrating. Being in the aviation industry myself, people don’t realize how many accidents there are. They think every accident/crash = loss of aircraft and life. 
Yeah the GA guys do have actual aircraft issues way more, and they make up a lot of the crashes but they’re also getting shitty maintenance for the most part since its less regulated than part 121 stuff
Is that why so many of us are getting massive downvotes on this thread? I thought it was strange how quickly I was downvoted to oblivion for a relatively normal answer.
"It’s because a lot of Kamala/Biden supporters are hating anything that points out two facts:  

1. Even with Trump’s anti-DEI rhetoric nobody has been fired in the FAA. 

2.  There were more crashes (10) in the same time period under Biden. "
PASS probationary employees have been fired from the FAA. The employees who maintain the equipment ATCs use.
thank Trump
There’s been more plane crashes in the last month than in the last 10 years. If that’s a conspiracy then I’m Ronald fucking McDonald flipping Burger King burgers door dashing Taco Bell. 
DEI at its finest
"Yes. I think all the flight employees are jittery and have low morale. The way the new administration handled the initial crashes was to talk mean and point fingers at staff, claiming peope were unqualified before they even had evidence. 

Mistakes happen. You need to focus on the actions  or elements that caused the crash and how to avoid it in the future.  Focus on re-training even if need be. There is no need to lead with bashing people, throwing people under the bus, and threatening to out people.  These flight professionals need to feel their supervisors/the administration will have their back and support them."
You mean because it's okay now to hire unqualified white men instead of qualified people of other races, genders and ethnicities
Musk was a DEI hire.
"[https://airlive.net/reports/2025/01/01/2024-was-the-deadliest-year-for-commercial-aviation-in-six-years/](https://airlive.net/reports/2025/01/01/2024-was-the-deadliest-year-for-commercial-aviation-in-six-years/)

  
2024 wasn't exactly a stellar year in aviation safety. IJS."
Nope, in 2021 at this same time there were   Twice the plane crashes. It’s the media doing TDS.
4 in 2025 so far. The last deadly crash before 2025 was in 2009
Deadly crash of a plane? Or are you specifying a commercial airliner?
PenAir Flight 3296 would like a word.
Well think about it this way. There were less planes flying in the air back in the day, so less planes = less plane crashes. More planes flying = more plane crashes. To ease your mind, flying is still the safest source of transportation.
And you know of all of them ? Are you the accident manager you approve each one individually  ?
Idk maybe the fact that Trump is firing the entirety of the FAA??
Seriously!!!! What the fuck is going on!!!??
It's almost like their safety funding got cut recently
It's not just you. It's just Donald Trump.
It's just biased reporting. Once there's one high profile crash, every little one gets reported on.
why is this getting downvoted, lol? It agrees with all the top comments.
I think the tide of the thread just change at some point. I was one of the first comments, and I guess the earliest voters didn't like my answer. Reddit, man.
This is the most accurate comment ever in regards to Reddit.
This is a “little” crash?
What is "this?" I have no idea what you're referring to.
https://aviationa2z.com/index.php/2025/02/18/delta-plane-crash-at-toronto-pearson-airport-canada/
The endeavor jet? Yes actually, runway incursions happen all the time with regionals
When was the last time a commercial plane ended upside down on the runway?
Upside down due to heavy crosswind which caused a runway incursion. An event that happens weekly during the winter months with regionals.
When was the last time a commercial plane ended upside down on the runway?
Do you lack the ability to read?
Do you? You failed to answer the question.
Do you have any experience or knowledge about aviation?
Do you not see me asking a question?
common, more eyes on it. You’ll be sad how many artists and teams have been lost due to aircraft. They are insanely meticulous precision machines, maintenance is vital. It can be a scary thing knowing that a pilot with thousands of hours can’t beat the unpredictable Mother Nature.
Slightly misunderstood, of the giant commercial planes we make crazy standards for safety for a reason and thankfully they’re usually pretty good.
Maybe fact check with google instead of asking hyper radicalized Redditors for answers they don't have nor are interested in researching themselves. It's actually the safest time to fly in history. We've had one fatal commercial airline crash in about the last 20 years. Private crashes happen all the time; the news is just sensationalizing a normal occurrence for fear-based views.
Lol you're so mad! Why you so instantly heated?!?
Tell that to the Reddit users that stopped GameStop from goin under due to Corprate greedy hedge funds. Get tf off Reddit if you think this community full of radical idiots that seem to see the bs you don’t see right in front of you. Gtfoh I bet you don’t research half the shit you wanna talk shit about others talking about a topic you know nothing about. 
"You have to realize that a majority of news outlets in the US are left leaning. 
So when news fits their agenda, they report it. 
I’m sure there has been small mishaps with aviation on a regular basis, but rarely hear about it, unless it’s something major. 
You have to read between the lines when it comes to the media!"
Just you. We had one fatal commercial accident this decade. Nonfatal aviation mishaps are not that uncommon, we don't pay attention to every single one.
I heard it's because the government is purposefully weakening the barrier between the real and ethereal and now Tommyknockers have come back and are mistaking plane fuselage for caves and when they experience turbulence they knock on the inside of the fuselage and accidentally explode the plane. This is just a rumor tho so pls pls pls beware spreading it.
Trump. That's the reason l.
It's not just you.
"isn’t this like saying vaccines cause autism?

like, maybe more people are being diagnosed in the same vein that more plane crashes are being reported in the news because it’s a popular topic"
">I don't recall a time when there have been so many crashes in modern-day commercial aviation, even going back into the 90's. Or am I just old with a terrible memory?

You're old with a terrible memory, apparently? 

So many? Especially so many in... NA? By which you mean... one in, what, 16 years and a skid?"
It’s just you. In the same timeframe during during Biden’s first month in office, there were nearly twice as many plane crashes. 10 total. 
There's another one that just got reported on in the past hour.
Iirc, There were no fatal crashes in the US in January 2024.
Biden didn’t take office in 2024, smart guy. 
">There's another one that just got reported on in the past hour.

It was several hours ago and it skidded on the runway."
"OK, I’ll hold your hand and talk you through it.

Biden had been in office the whole three years, and therefore the January 2024 stats are completely on him. 

Is that better?"
it landed flipped upside down and caught flame.
">it landed flipped upside down and caught flame.

Because it... skidded. On. The. Runway."
sorry, from your wording I thought you were implying that this should not be counted as a plane crash because it was only a minor incident, a simple bit of skidding. because you were replying to someone saying that there was another plane crash just reported.
It doesn't help when they fired half the staff in aviation...
Who said, “When you are President you are responsible for everything” ?
Trump
That's  what happens when you dismantle the agency that runs flight tracking and safety
Did Canada dismantle something?
The recent ice skater plane crash I think has that one effect where once it gets on the news, you see it everywhere. I don’t remember exactly what it’s called.
I dunno they had a few crash in an hour once about 24 years ago
Yes, Definitely. Something is up with the planes 100%
2000 crashes a year  1970 -2000 now we have 400
Yeah that’s about right.  I know, blame trump but all of these issues didn’t just pop up in The last month.
Trump. That's the reason l.
Thanks, Trump
Trying to land in 70MPH winds in Canada has nothing at all to do with the FAA, or the manufacturer - but keep trying.
OP didn't bring any of that up, you did. Seems to be a sensitive topic for you!